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Queen excluder and drone debate

Hive inspectionWhen we started our hives last year, we had to take a stand in the great excluder debate.  A queen excluder is basically a screen that you place between the brood box and the honey supers to ensure that the queen stays down where you want her and doesn't head up to lay eggs in the honey frames.  Some folks swear by excluders, but other people point out that excluders make your hive more likely to swarm since your brood box can get congested in the spring.  We opted to join the anti-excluder camp primarily because I knee-jerk in favor of anything that sounds more natural, and because I am too cheap to buy equipment we don't really need.

Last year, our lack of an excluder caused absolutely no problems.  Our bees were working hard to build up their hive, and the queen had no time or inclination to lay eggs in the honey supers.  This year, though, I noticed that two of our hives have a bit of drone brood at the bottom of the lowest honey super.  Which brings us to beekeeper debate number two: are drones a drain on the hive or an asset?

I won't go into bee biology too far, but you need to understand that there are three kinds of bees in a honeybee hive.  There's the queen --- one per hive, who lays all of the eggs and does nothing else.  There are the workers --- many, many per hive, who do all of the work from foraging for pollen and nectar to cleaning the hive and raising the babies (brood.)  Then there are the drones --- the only males in the hive, whose sole purpose is to head out every day in search of a mate.  Since the queen only has to copulate once in her life, you can see that keeping a bunch of drones on tap is wasteful --- they eat like crazy and don't pull their weight.  As a result, many beekeepers try to keep drone production to a minimum.

Drone broodDrone management comes down to managing the cell size in the brood box since the queen decides whether to lay eggs that will become workers or drones based on the size of the cell.  Big cells are for drones; small cells are for workers.  When drones reach their pupal stage, they're too big to fit into even their extra large cells, so workers build a little domed cap to seal the drone pupa in rather than the flat caps they build over worker brood.  As a result, it's pretty easy for us to take a look at capped brood and know at a glance how much of it will turn into workers and how much into drones --- the photo here shows the domed caps of drone brood (along with some drone larvae too young to be capped.)  Beekeepers who want to limit drone production will cut out drone-sized comb and replace it with worker-sized comb so that the queen will lay the latter rather than the former.

Now we come back to the queen excluder.  Without the excluder, when the brood box starts filling up but the queen still feels like laying eggs, she'll move up into the first honey super to lay.  The problem is that honey cells are large, so the queen lays all drones up there --- a drain on the hive.  On the other hand, a fascinating article by Walt Wright makes the point that natural hives keep 20% of their brood area in drones and that the hive will build all kinds of jurry-rigged drone cells if we prevent them from laying that 20%.  He concludes that it's better to go ahead and let the hive produce drones rather than running the risk of lowering honey production with a queen excluder.

I'm still in the learning stages of bee management, so I'm taking a bit of a wait and see approach.  If there's a lot more drone brood at our next hive check, I'll probably put a super of foundationless frames beneath the brood box, letting the hive build more worker cells for the queen to lay in.  That way, the queen will get to keep expanding the worker population, which will mean more nectar brought in from the field and more honey for the winter.  On the other hand, if there's still just a bit of drone brood at the bottom of the first honey super, I'll figure the hive deserves their boy toys and leave it alone.

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Anna one option would be to include one shallow frame amongst your regular sized brood frames. The bees will always fill the sort of space which that leaves beneath it, and will preferentially build themselve a comb of drone brood if that is what they sense they need. It will then be quite obvious to you where the drone brood is, and very easy to cull it if you want to. I think that will work better than frames without foundation, where the combs may not be built so neatly and you could end up getting very messy with brace comb being built joining the frames together. A single shallow frame amongst the deeper brood frames is likely to be all they need.

In the UK we do that as part of varroa mite control: varroa mites prefer drone brood, so culling it gets rid of a good number of mites. Personally I'd leave the drones to develop if it wasn't for the varroa problem. The reason nature produces more drones than queens needing to be mated is that it improves the chances of mating even in adverse circumstances. There is only a brief window of opportunity for mating and if the queen misses that due to bad weather the colony is doomed. It's not only your own queen to consider - with the problems with bees we need to ensure as many queens as possible get safely mated in every neighbourhood.

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Comment by judith Thu May 20 02:32:10 2010

Good reminder about culling drone brood to deal with varroa mites! So far, we haven't had to do that --- we have a screened bottom board, and when I checked on mite levels last fall and winter, they were within manageable range. I should probably check again, though!

We've actually had really good luck with foundationless frames. (It's not quite as simple as not using foundation --- I do provide the bees a little strip to get them building in the right direction.) They built nearly everything straight and included spaces for drones amid the worker brood. I think that I'm running into is that one deep isn't enough space for all the brood they want to raise! I've been reading lately that if you give them more space for brood, they'll fill it up and will have masses of workers, which means more honey. I'm in favor of more honey. :-)

Comment by anna Thu May 20 07:19:15 2010

Very interesting! Glad to see you're doing pretty well in your second year. We're hoping to get started this year, yet, if we can find someone to sell us some bees! Our hives are on the way, at any rate.

I've been reading everything I can. We're trying our hand at the top bar hives, though. I can't find too much on management specifically for them, though.

Comment by Dana Thu May 20 17:18:21 2010
I'd recommend getting them started ASAP! We started one of our hives a couple of months before the other and it is still significantly stronger a year later. A package needs plenty of time to build up their stores for the winter. Good luck!
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