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Securing a Super Winch cable to a tree

tying a winch wire to a tree

another image of tree helping with winching
It's possible to wrap the Super Winch cable around a tree and hook it onto itself. The instructions clearly say to not do this.


I'm guessing it's because the cable could get damaged.

We had a heavy chain for wrapping around trees, but it somehow got lost it in the weeds a few years ago. Now we use a cable with hooks on each end or a heavy duty nylon tow strap depending on the situation.



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Mark, Whenever you use a cable for heavy pulling, you should take care not to cross over itself. Instead of linear contact (like a tourniquet), a crossed cable has point contact (more like scissors, which could either cut or weaken the cable). If you use the barber pole approach spiraling up and around the tree, I don't forsee any issues.
david

Comment by David Hicks Sat Oct 8 19:28:11 2011
Thanks so much for saying that! We're slowly but surely learning about winching, and that's a tip we hadn't seen anywhere else yet. It makes perfect sense, though.
Comment by anna Sat Oct 8 20:06:47 2011
I had a nice 20ft 3/8 inch chain I lost on my property also. I bought a metal detector and went over every place I thought the chain might be, but unfortunately I never did find that chain. I think there must be a chain conspiracy.
Comment by zimmy Sat Oct 8 20:16:09 2011

If I remember right, we know right where our chain is. We just can't find it! The thing is, we used it to winch a neighbor out who got stuck trying to drive back into our property, and before we could go to retrieve the chain, a flood came and washed through our driveway area. When the waters receded, the chain was no longer visible. Maybe with a metal detector we could find it --- I can't imagine the waters washed it too far....

Seems like we should have painted it neon orange....

Comment by anna Sat Oct 8 20:58:35 2011

David's comment is a good point. But there is another related issue.

If you wrap a steel wire around an object with a radius not much larger than the diameter of the wire, you will strain the outsides of the wire very much. Let the diameter of the wire be "d", and the radius around which it is wrapped "R", then the maximal elongation or compression in the bend equals d/(2R+d)×100%. So if you wrap 1/4" wire around a hook with a radius of 1/4" (1/2" diameter), you'll get an elongation of 33%. This is more than the yield elongation of a lot of kinds of steel. (Note that the angle between the in- and outgoing ends of the cable doesn't matter).

Now it is true that your cable isn't a single strand of steel but rather a rope twisted from several strands of thin wire. That is because that allows the strands to move with respect to each other. And it makes the strands act like a coiled spring. This allows a rope a smaller bend radius than a wire. But the principle remains.

Making a sharp bend in a rope or wire can cause irreversible damage. The same goes for the point-to-point contact of crossing wires. The first sings of both will be a kink in the cable.

Comment by Roland_Smith Sun Oct 9 04:54:29 2011
So, by wrapping the wire over itself, it's in essence being wrapped around a tiny object when tension gets put on the wire? Is that right?
Comment by anna Sun Oct 9 08:03:06 2011

Yes, but that is only part of it. What David points out is valid as well.

By overwrapping you also get what is called point contact between the wires. Imagine two cylinders with their lengths perpendicular to each other. Now press them together. With perfect cylinders they would only contact each other in a mathematical point. The engineering term stress is defined as units of force per unit of area. If you only have a miniscule contact area, even a small force would result in a large stress. In a mathematical point with zero surface area, you'd get infinite stress. In practice the contact surfaces will deform, reducing the stress.

Consider a knife. It also concentrates the force that you press it down with on the tiny surface of it's edge. That is in essence what makes it cut.

Of course twined ropes will not have a single contact spot but a couple of them because of their surface geometry. But the principle remains the same. Two overwrapped wires under tension are essentially cutting into each other.

Comment by Roland_Smith Sun Oct 9 08:47:12 2011
Good analogy with the knife --- helped me wrap my mind around it. :-)
Comment by anna Sun Oct 9 10:50:34 2011

What you need to get is a tree strap. It also goes by a tree saver. It's a length of wide nylon strapping with eyelets on each end. I wraps around the tree and is secured to your winch line's hook through the eyelets. It distributes the pulling load over a wider surface which helps protect the tree as well as your winch line. Also to lighten the weight of your winch you can look into nylon winch line. It's a special rope cable that is super light but still have the pulling capacity of a steel cable of larger size and weight.

Comment by Adam Thu Dec 1 21:29:34 2011
The tree strap does sound perfect. We have a tow strap that we sometimes use a bit like that, but the ends have hooks rather than eyelets, so it's not as easy to secure to the winch's hook.
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